Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and a fitting end to this bizarre election. It’s over. There will be no more presidential debates between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. At the start, there were some Trumpy moments — but for the most part, it appeared like both candidates, thanks to Trump’s slightly better behavior, were going to mostly stick to the issues. Then Trump happened. By the end of the debate, Trump had insulted Latino immigrants in Spanish, continued to say that he would not concede the election if he lost, and called Clinton “such a nasty woman.”In many ways, it was a fitting end to what’s been a very odd election season. But it also offered yet another reminder that we are living in very strange times. So here’s what you need to know coming out of tonight’s debate.
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Before the debate began, Trump appeared to tease Trump TVThirty minutes before the debate, Trump’s Facebook page went live with a video. It ran with the message: “If you’re tired of biased, mainstream media reporting (otherwise known as Crooked Hillary’s super PAC), tune into my Facebook Live broadcast.
Starts at 8: 3. 0 EST/5: 3. PST - - you won't want to miss it. Enjoy!” The ensuing show had its own anchors and guests. For any other candidate, this may come off as unremarkable.
But Trump’s wording, the original anchors and guests, and ongoing rumors suggest this is a tease of “Trump TV” — a business venture Trump might launch after his failed presidential bid. Matt Yglesias explained for Vox: While Trump and his team do not appear capable of winning a general election in the United States, they certainly have the right mix of skills and experience to operate a successful media company, folding the existing Breitbart and Hannity franchises together with the Trump brand to form Trump TV or Trump Media. Trump’s people, for their part, haven’t done much to dispel the rumors. Here’s what Trump campaign CEO Steve Bannon said recently, according to CNN anchor Brian Stelter’s newsletter: Bannon did not deny talk about a potential . When asked if there is anything to the rumors, Bannon responded with a smile and said, . The lighting was poor, the sound was messy, and the show featured former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer rambling aimlessly for way too long.
It was not impressive. Trump was asked about the Supreme Court.
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He immediately made the issue about himself. The first question of the debate was about the Supreme Court — perhaps the biggest issue of the election. Clinton rattled off some of the important issues the Court could take on if she gets to appoint nominees: campaign finance, abortion, and LGBTQ issues. Trump immediately turned the question to himself: The Supreme Court, it's what it’s all about. Our country, it’s so, so, just so imperative that we have the right justices.
Something happened recently where Justice Ginsburg made some very inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people — many, many millions of people that I represent. And she was forced to apologize, and apologize she did. But these were statements that should never ever have been made.
For those that don’t know what this is about, read Vox’s explainer on what happened with Ginsburg. As for the debate moment, this is classic Trump. As Kevin Drum noted at Mother Jones, Trump seems to be driven in large part by a constant need to get vengeance on people who criticize him. He’ll go after anyone who’s even a little critical — including a former Miss Universe, politicians, and, now, a Supreme Court justice. And as Dara Lind wrote for Vox, the presidency would empower Trump to carry out this vendetta in some very frightening ways. Clinton and Trump had a serious, substantial clash on abortion. When abortion came up, Trump and Clinton had a rare moment: an instance of serious, substantial discussion.
And Clinton, for the first time on the debate stage, got very passionate in her response. At the top, moderator Chris Wallace asked the candidates to clarify their stances on Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that effectively legalized abortion nationwide: WALLACE: What I'm asking you, sir, is do you want to see the Court overturn? You just said you want to see the Court protect the Second Amendment. Do you want to see the Court overturn Roe v. Wade? TRUMP: If we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that will happen. And that will happen automatically in my opinion because I'm putting pro- life justices on the Court.
I will say this, it will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination. WALLACE: Secretary Clinton? CLINTON: I strongly support Roe v.
Wade, which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases decisions about her health care that one can imagine. And in this case, it's not only about Roe v. It is about what's happening right now in America. So many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice to the extent that they are defunding Planned Parenthood, which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. And here is another part of the exchange, on partial- birth abortion: TRUMP: I think it's terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying in the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby.
Now, you can say that that's okay, and Hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me. Because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day. And that's not acceptable. CLINTON: Well, that is not what happens in these cases.
And using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I've met with. Women I've known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make. I do not believe the government should be making these decisions.
I've been to countries where governments forced women to have abortions like they did in China or force women to bear children like they used to do in Romania. I can tell you the government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice, and I will stand up for that right. Trump made a factual error: As Sarah Kliff explained for Vox, abortions don’t happen at nine months. But the candidates’ answers still broadly got at the views of both sides on the abortion debate. Given the lack of substance in this election, it was a fairly good moment. Clinton bullshitted on Wiki.
Leaks. Clinton was asked about her leaked remarks to a Brazilian bank that her “dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”Clinton’s answer was unpersuasive, to say the least: Well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy. You know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. And I do want us to have an electric grid, energy system that crosses borders. I think that would be a great benefit to us. But you are very clearly quoting from Wiki.
Leaks, and what's really important about Wiki. Leaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans. They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to Wiki. Leaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet.
Who knows if Clinton secretly supports open borders? But Clinton’s answer did not come off as convincing.
My reading of her remarks was that energy was an example of how open borders would work, not the entire substance. The bigger issue, though, is that Clinton blatantly tried to distract from the question by going into how Wiki. Leaks obtained the leaked emails. The Russian hack is certainly troubling, but it’s a separate issue than what Clinton was asked about. It just wasn’t a good look. Trump tried out some Spanish. Speaking on immigration, Trump said, “We have some bad hombres here, and we’re going to get them out.” (“Hombres” is Spanish for “men.”)The moment was awkward.
Not only was Trump seemingly insulting Latino immigrants in their own language, but, as a fluent Spanish speaker, I can confirm his pronunciation was so bad that it was barely understandable. Clinton called Trump Putin’s puppet. When Trump’s ties to Russia and Russian President Vladimir Putin came up, this happened: CLINTON: Well, that's because . Unfortunately, it’s just not convincing on the presidential stage — especially because Trump has a lot of troubling ties to Russia, while Clinton doesn’t. Trump’s sexual assault allegations came up — and Trump denied them completely. Over the past couple of weeks, the big election issue was the leaked 2. Trump saying he can sexually assault women — “grab ’em by the pussy” — because of his celebrity status and the several women who have come out and accused Trump of sexual misconduct and assault.
Trump said: Well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. Those people, I don't know those people. I have a feeling how they came. I believe it was her campaign that did it.
Just like if you look at what came out today on the clips where I was wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. She is the one — and Obama — that caused the violence. They paid them $1,5. I would say the only way, because the stories are all totally false.
And I didn't even apologize to my wife, who is sitting right here, because I didn't do anything. I didn't know any of these women. I didn't see these women. These women, the woman on the plane, I think they want either fame or her campaign did it.